If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. 3 years ago. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. COIE Anti Monitor. 2. Lucifer is a different beast. Bait? 1 year ago. PR Beyonder curbstomps. He is his total opposite and equal in power. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. loveNwar. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Hell even Strange Visitor Superman with scaling off of Mxy could take Pre-Retcon Beyonder. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. #1 quandaledingle. #36. The Beyonder didn’t know. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used(yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). This topic is locked from further discussion. Post-retcon is still strong, there’s no doubt about that, but he’s still much much weaker than his Pre-retcon counterpart:. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. Additional comment actions. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. u/nullfather can attest to that. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Forum Posts. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Which effectively means that they give Beyonder their sunday. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Lucifer obviously wins, the guy literally has half of God's omnipotence. You are confusing full power with pre retcon. . The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was. Follow 23035. He. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. 14 years ago. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Maybe I have used faulty logic regarding this. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Numidium 2. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. 13 years. 2. Post-Retcon Beyonder: A cosmic cube being that had split in half, the other side being Molecule Man. 3 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just wishes Spectre to be gone and that's it. #28 ovy7. #2. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16. Regardless. I like to think I'm pretty knowledgeable about SCP though and I agree that from what little I do know I don't think any marvel characters have that level of narrative breaking. Wiki Points. . Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Hey guy's! aaj jo mai batane jaa rha hoon #Marvel ke most powerful character jo sirf marvel multiiverse me hi nhi balki dusre companies ke multiverse se bada. Reply. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. 3. Dec 24, 2015. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. I think Sun Wukong wins because he managed to achieve Nirvana which according to Buddhist teachers is transcendence of all concepts. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. DC_Marvel_1000. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. CsmicRanker1314 1. Beyonder isnt really known for prep anyways. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. 0. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. Interesting. This is a spite thread then . Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. Beyonder Wallpapers. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. who universe. Assuming the several dimensions to be universes isn't something streched considering the PRB power. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Beyonder erases him from existence. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. 7 K. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. PR Beyonder curbstomps. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. The events of. But technically TR isn't a part of DC comics , the author has made it like DC comics ends at limbo and TR lives in the meta state , everything appearing. Location: Above Earth. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. The Soruce(DC) 5. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. 11,582. This is the biggest mismatch. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Do a list of spells, after pre retcon beyonder turns around. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. The Beyonder has always been a child-like being, which makes him very dangerous. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Ima go with byonder. 4 years ago. No matter how you interpret the effects of the Retcon, Beyonder can no longer be stated to be above Authorial fiat. Thought Robot without any effort. "No other force or power in existence could. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, represented by Amendment50 Elder God Demonbane, represented by God_Vulcan PLEASE VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU THINK DEBATED THE BEST, NOT WHICH CHARACTER. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. FIRST COSMOS. As I said I'm not intimately familiar with pre retcon beyonder or even marvel comics overall. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Round 1: CAS vs. -5. Battles. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should not even consider Demonbane. Pre-Retcon Beyonder ruins them casually. Shinra destroys their narrative 68%. Second, Beyonder would stop Mxy from going out of the comic, trapping him in the Beyond-Realm (himself). I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. Pre Retcon Beyonder VS Azathoth 179 results 1 2 3 4 #1 Edited By deactivated-5fb6c77c8d900 I see alot of extrenely OP character being pitted against. . He wins. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a. Dude’s absolutely broken. New comments cannot be posted. PR Beyonder tanked a blast that would of shattered billions of dimensions and he was bullying PR MM who repaired the multiverse with a gesture. Follow 22700. Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 2. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. The Forger is much stronger than Barbatos. 0. He wins. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. VS. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Living tribunal. Definitely Beyonder. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. #4. Jmarshmallow. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. But it wont be easy by no means. The people at Marvel Comics figured it was a dumb idea, so they changed (or retconned) it. thtadthtshldntb Anti nBSG Troll. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. panos2000000 • 1 yr. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. let's wait and see his actual feats. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. Once a lowly lab technician desperate for recognition, Owen Reece miraculously became one of the most powerful beings in existence, the Molecule Man, while fixing an atomic device. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. #2. 3. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has more statements of powers than the new ones. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. Beyonder was a formless mindless white space above the Multiverse, made purely. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Follow 12318. vs. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. 14 years ago. @baron_von_santa: Doubt it, Pre-Retcon beyonder was supposed to be the ToAA of another reality but was later retconned into the "Cosmic Cube" crap. 3. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. No Prep. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Kingant27. #1. No prep and no knowledge. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Round 1: CAS vs. The All-Mighty (SCP) vs TOAA, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and Oblivion (Marvel) All of them at their strongest. R2 - 5 members of the Beyonders race (incursion) face the 5 members of the Omega Council. ago. 4 years ago. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. Beyonder, spite as usual with beyonder. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Even The. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. The beyonder is under him. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. 1. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. #1 Nicholas_Jones. #. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. Idk its hard to say because the beyonders who destroyed eternity infinity and all the cosmic entities, it took time for them to do that but the Marquis of Death waved his hand and they all died. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Been done here on the vine. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. 0. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Jul 2, 2016. ago. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel :. pre retcon molecule man vs. Spite. I never understood why people tried to mesh post-retcon feats with the pre-retcon continuity, what was written after the retcon was never canon to the Beyonder arc. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Supermanthor. The Beyonder “realizes” something. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. The pre-retcon beyonder is aware of the writer/publishers and can threatening them so that possibly plot resistance. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. the retcon. Phoenix vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder = probably Beyonder unless we are using the level where Phoenix possessed the power to destroy him. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Fighting place: Dr. Originally, the Marvel Comics' character known as The Beyonder, as portrayed during Jim Shooter's Secret Wars duology, as a nearly all-powerful entity. Scarlet King (SCP) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (Marvel) R2:The scarlet demon, WOW I am speechless. R. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. Pages with a quote from this character will automatically be added here along with the quote. Current version of the Beyonder (sentient cosmic cube, NOT the. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the intelligence to use it, even Mxy does more. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. #8. And yeah he stomps. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Thanos Hotu and Great Evil Beast 49%. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. 0. In the pocket dimension, classic doctor strange would do exactly what he did. She surpasses him in raw power by far. Isn't that pre retcon beyonder? post retcon last i can remember was way weaker than pre retcon beyonder and Fu walks around from High hyperversal to Outerversal. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Beyonder scaled above all. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Beyonder was an incredibly powerful alien entity from Marvel comics who would becoming a recurring antagonist for several story-arcs, he was considered to be the single most dangerous threat the collective Marvel multiverse had ever faced and was compared numerous times to a Supreme Being whose power so greatly eclipsed those found in. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. Who Is Strongest || Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Hajun#whoisstrongest#shorts#marvel#marvelcomics#marvelstudios#dc#dccomics#dceu#lucifer#beyonder#viralshorts#anime#. A. . This topic is locked from further discussion. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. He can't exist beyound the source wall which limits him to not a 11-D being but probably a 10-D. Beyonder on the other hand, flip-flops back and forth as to how powerful he really is because of the inconsistent showings of entities that he has fought and the inconsistency of Beyonder's own showings with his own statements for instance: Beyonder was stated to be Million X Infinity the size of a Multiverse but this is mathematically. Neutral Omega Beyonder has better feats. R1: Everyone of the verses is at their peak. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Forums Battles Darkseid (True Form) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 121 results 1 2 3 #1 Soratoumiga 4 years ago #2 ProfessorRespect Beyonder. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Team 2 = Fusion mode. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. Pre retcon beyonder was absolutely omnipotent, the equal of the one above all. Beyonder S T O M P S. The value of your argument reached the negatives the moment you put fodder Beyonder above anyone here. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. First, that was a bad parody of Aquiles. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. As a result, for his experiment, he. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. 5 years ago Galactic_1000Every single universe in the entirety of the Marvel multiverse combined is literally a drop in the ocean to Pre-Retcon Beyonder's power, The minotors exist in a dimension called "The Bleed", which is basically identical to Marvels "The Beyond". Mxy is done. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Nov 6, 2017. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. No one. Adviser (Vs)Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. Jan 22, 2017. Wiki Points. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he. 1. #20. 13 years agoWasn't Pre-Retcon Beyonder just a child unit of Beyonder race? He was shown that way in Deadpool's Secret Wars. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. 7. His accident poked a pinhole into the universe of a child Beyonder, and the energy from that universe empowered him. 3. Even The. Round 3: All-Mighty vs TOAA. 17 Ginriu. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. • 1 year ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. . He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. As you can see in the marvel hierarchy the one above all is at the very top. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. It's my understanding that Anti-Monitor is on a lower tier than the Living Tribunal, who in return is far below pre-retcon Beyonder. Forum Posts. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Honestly assuming it’s pre-retcon Beyonder and MM then they stomp the dc fodder hard. so the 1st retcon beyonder. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. Beyonder (Earth-616)/Quotes Category page. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. If that's the case, Team 2 stomps. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. The One Above All. Beyonder 39%. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Thanos wins this. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. #38 JayBlack. Not only that he struggled heavily against madrakk and trust me Beyounder is infinty stronger than Mandrakk. Archived post. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension.